What I learned at the new book signing

Book signing in Sante Fe with Forrest and his good friend Douglas Preston  gave me a few things to ponder.  Mostly I asked myself how Douglas Preston could know that Forrest put clues in his new book.  Forrest’s grandson asked the audience to hold any questions about his treasure as his grandfather wanted the book to sell on it’s own merit.  later Douglas chimed in with a statement that there are clues in the new book.

Does anyone else get the uneasy idea that Mr. Preston has special privy to information the rest of us do not know about?  I can’t stop asking how would Preston know if there are any clues if one, he did not tell anyone there were clues in the book and two, how would Preston recognize a clue in the book if he has no idea of where this chest is hidden.  This is exactly the kind of things I focus on and the reason I came to the book signing.

After much thought, I have narrowed the possible clues Preston refers to as the statement Fen made about parking in Denver and a much less obvious clue, when Fenn might of hid the chest.  For me, any other clues  Mr. Preston might be hinting at would be impossible without suspension.

As for the event it was wonderful.  My brother and I were speaking to some providers at the rear entrance of the book store when to our great pleasure Mr Forrest Fenn himself arrived.  We were lucky not to be in the line at the front of the book store but to have a brief discussion with Forrest in the back.  Forrest gains more of my respect every time I see him.  Three times I have been at signing and Forrest has been very approachable every time.   He is very witty and has a treasure trove of stories about the people he has known and the places he has been.  I have no doubt Forrest hid a treasure.

I have a life time experience with New Mexico and Sante Fe as well and they live  up to their reputation of high snobbery.  The kindest people and most approachable were from out of town.  I met and talk to four or five from as far away places as Canada, New York and Montana.  I could tell the new searchers from the old by their willingness to discuss their search sites.  Seems new searchers are overly concern about giving away a clue but the older ones know their ideas are really safe as no one searcher believes the other has it right.  I have told others exactly where I thought the treasure is without any fear that they would rush off to beat me to the treasure.  It is a weird bias that I share with so many other searcher.  Just think about the many stories you heard but didn’t believe.

There was a get together before the signing I missed it but some decided to meet at a near by hotel-restaurant-bar  after the signing.  I met a lady searcher from New York and we shared tells of our searches.  She and her husband went in many of the same areas as I had and to my amazement she had ran across the same poacher I had met in my search. I wrote about him and his son in earlier accounts back in 2013 when we searched Sphinx creek.  What a small world.  I tried to include others by offering to put our tables together but there clique wouldn’t have it.  Ah Sante Fe.  Anyway after a wonderful chat I introduce our guest from New York to the golden people to help broaden her social experience and my brother and I left for Albuquerque.

Deer Creek was the last place I looked as I shared in a blog before.  I plan to leave some pictures here for your pleasure and to give you an idea of were not to go.  However the videos and photos don’t want to cooperate so they will come latter.

Here is what I took away from my last trip to New Mexico.  His last clue is a parked car at a museum in Denver.  New Mexico is not looking like the place he chose to hid the treasure.  He says he was afraid that someone would check car or truck rental records if they knew the year he hid the treasure.  This means he got where he was going without a car.  He left his car in Colorado.  He did not drive to the hiding place in his own vehicle.  I don’t think he walked or took a train or bus but I believe he flew.  Would he park in Colorado just to fly back to New Mexico?  Would he give Colorado as a clue to rule out other states?  I think his family went through Denver every year on their way to West Gate and this is the direction in which he went to hide the treasure.  I also believe he cashed his treasure like the Native Americans had done before him.  This cashing will probable make the finding of the treasure nearly impossible to find even if you should be lucky enough to get yourself neigh.  Final thought the blaze cannot be seen by google and it does not face in any one direction.  Figure out how that can be and you’ll have a jump on the rest of the dogs in the chase.

In keeping with the intent of this blog I will give the readers some new things to ponder.  First let me say in my defense that much of the info and even pictures have been reproduced in other blogs.  To back up what I am saying go back 6 or 7 years on this blog to read what is now shared with many other sites.  I say good it is just what I wanted but I must confess that after 51 posts and almost 7 years of searching to hear how others blogs are consulted and regarded as expert I get offended.  My how my ego pokes at me.

I am looking forward to a new podcast where the Boise think tank will discuss information hidden in comments made over the years by Forrest that may lead to new clues.  Here is a taste of what it will have to offer.  Forrest says to a lady in the book signing in Sante Fe several years ago when she asked if he would take her to the treasure and he answers without filtering sure does she have a plan?  Add to this that the last hint will be his parked car in Denver with the statement Forrest gave about someone checking car or truck rentals on the year he hid the treasure and we have plenty to go on.

He must of hid the treasure in New Mexico right?  Sure he drives to Denver to rent a car to take back to New Mexico.  This is going to be obvious when we see the miles driven in the rented car or truck so he must hide the time the treasure was hidden.  Let me get my tongue out of my cheek.  Rented a car or truck, ah hum, car or truck.  He hopes a Texas man with a big family drives up in his truck and walks right to the treasure.  Rents an automobile would not be a hint but car or truck that is a hint.     From the place that warm waters halt to the home of Brown takes a truck!   From Denver to where he rented a truck takes a plane or why didn’t he just drive to the rental.  The big deal to me is that the time he went has been narrowed by this new book and for me you can through out New Mexico as a possible state.  Finally if it was in Colorado would he leave his last clue in Denver.  Why didn’t he leave the car at the rental place?  What is the reason to drive there if he lets everyone know he parked there.  What hint or hints have you found in the book that the treasure is near Denver?  Denver is six hours from Sante Fe.  No airline would transport the treasure without knowledge of it.  A privet aircraft and a truck are needed to finish the hiding if he flew.  Here in lies the answer to where he went to hide the chest.  This is the kind of things we will discuss on the up coming podcast.

Keep on running you dogs of the chase and may good luck and a large can of bear spray be with you.  As for me I now carried a Judge.

 

 

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I thought I was the second one to the box in 2010 as I found a hole inside a hollow tree in the Lamar Valley.  This seem to fit the poem and all I wanted was for Forrest to say no it is not in the tree and you are not second or thanks for letting us know that it is gone.  I took a photo history of the solve and brought it to Sante Fe to have the book store hand it to Fenn.  I never got an answer.  I asked Forrest about the notebook of pictures when I had him sign my copy of ” The Thrill of The Chase” at the book store in Sante Fe.  Forrest explained that he got so many things he just couldn’t remember the pictures.

I had one of the lowest times of my life just before a friend told me  of the treasure and it seemed like a way out of a very very dark place for me.   IQ, creativity and willingness to be outside the box blurs the thin line between irrational and rational thought.  There lies the difference between foolishness and genius.   For me it is time to face reality, I have read so many stories around searcher just like myself who hope for away out of their own predicaments by having a life changing event take place.  This was one of Forrest reasons to secret his treasure so others would have away to lift them from their tough situations in a time of financial depression.

When we are kids often we believe the world circles around us  as we are the center of the universe.  We may compensate for our lack of esteem later by striving to be different than others, we may believe we are gifted or that God love us more or that we have a special connection to someone or thing.  I have fallen victim to all these things.  God is helping me to find the clues and just like Fenn I am left handed so I think like he does or I am different and so my solve is special.

The internet is a buzz with such people because we are so similar at our deepest selves.  Yes I read how sure someone is about their solve and how witty they where to discover what they have learned.  I fall victim to this human behavior often and so have become a “Dog of the Chase.” It wasn’t long before my solves had me looking in the Lamar Valley up the Lamar River in the Lamar Canyon, up Slough Creek, and several other creeks close by.  I went north of the Lamar Ranger Station (home to Ranger Brown) and later into Ice Box Canyon,  Pebble Creek and Cashe Creek to Death Gulch.  It was a life savor the Church of the Rockies as I spent many days often alone in their.

Over these years  I have had the privilege to be accompanied by others who believed in the adventure.    Two trips in the Yellowstone Paul and his uncle Roberto were with me as we faced snow and winter like weather in April.  It was on a trip in April on Easter day that I was there in the Lamar Valley viewing what I later called the Immaculate Impression.  My brother Jim came with me to Yankee Jim Canyon just north of Gardiner Wyoming.   It was then that my brothers fear made me realize some of the places I went required bravery.  Jim did great getting down the steep canyon as he braved the climb but he brought a sober reality for me too.  The rock that sank Ransome’s boat was the blaze back then and that area lost over 18 ft from the high water mark in four weeks.  Tom Miner Creek and the Tom Miner campground took several days of searching as well as the many side trips around Gardiner.

Over the last two years Bret and my good friend Kendrick have come to look and Kendrick has been on at least six of my last trips.  These trips were memorable and the best was Death Gulch.  Recently again on an adventure we were deep in Deer Creek Chasm that will very defiantly be the best and the last trip.

Quiting is not something I do.  I will never forget the look on the principal’s face at the high school I interviewed at for a head football coach job.  He couldn’t hide his surprise that I was there.  He was my 8th grade English teacher  and my English level was maybe 3rd grade at best.  Dyslexia and a broken home led to little discipline and that lead to failing grades.    Add to that ADD and ADHD and you can understand why he had written me off as having a chance of being a collage graduate mush less have a Master’s degree but he didn’t know that I don’t give up.  I was a small sophomore my first year on the football team.  I just got over mononucleosis when I found myself competing for a 33 man team.  That year 166 players tried out but the coach claimed he would runoff all but 33 and he did.  I got into one play that year but I never new the word quit and at the end of the season the head coach told me to come back because they could use me on the team because I don’t give up.  It took me 8 years of trying to get my first head high school job but soon I head coached track, wrestling and golf.  I don’t quit.

This is hard for me to say but I feel its time to grow up and admit there is nothing special about me or my talents.  I am not given any gifts from God and I am not likely to find a treasure with odd as great as 1 in a 1,000,000.  I always said it is the chase not the treasure that is the true gift but after 7 years my next great adventure will be fighting isolationism that comes for so many of us as we lose our best friends and mates.  So now I am giving my best solve to those who carry on. I will find answers for the lonely if I can using the skills I learned while counseling and doing social work.  I will move on not quit but rather continue to grow using my limited resources to be put there for now.

Get something to take notes because this treasure hunter is going to tell you what my experience has taught me. Take it or leave it.

The poem is understandable,  no mysteries, no codes to solve.  People are their own worse enemy as they fail to listen to the one who knows what he meant.   Forrest may or may not know it but he uses what Milton Erickson called meta language.  He is a master at letting the reader presuppose, generalize, delete etc. He allows the reader to fill in the blanks but he is being very clear on how to solve the poem.  It is hard enough with out messing with his poem.  Where warm waters halt or where warm water halts is a good example.  It reads warm waters halt. To find the place to start look for warm waters.  Look where warm waters halt.  Warm water halts at Old Faithful, warm waters halt at Mammoth Springs.  (Old Faithful – singular… Springs – plural).  the starting place is a place to start from not some mythical generalization of a place.   It is not at 20,000 ft where water gets cold and rains or the Continental Divide which isn’t in one point but rather multiple points from which to start.  Here’s another, take it in the canyon down.  Is it in the canyon down or is it down in the canyon?

The treasure is not in the same canyon as the canyon you drive down.  The poem is a map of places and directions if you miss a direction you’ll miss the place.  I only know of one thing that has an end drawing that would be a creek.  To get close (neigh) you need to be in the right canyon.  That place has been passed by many times as the first two clues have taken many searchers near that ever drawing place but they go right on by.   What is meant when I say don’t paddle up your creek.  What is meant if you’ve  been wise.  Is wise a direction the Bible says it means to the right.  ” The wise man goes to the right”.  Where could something be hidden by water but not be under water?  Behind a waterfall?  Would it be wet?  One more thing it is not close to a road or trail.  Forrest didn’t like to walk trails he preferred creeks to walk. Try walking into the forest without using a trail then you’ll know how Forrest wrote a map of direct clues.

This is the last solve I hope it helps, for me it is good bye for you perhaps it is a boost to your next adventure.

Begin it where the south and the north fork of the Shoshone come together (Colter Hell).  then take the south fork into the canyon and put in below Thomas Brown Ranch at Deer Creek Campground.  From there it is not for the meek.  Really it is not for the meek huge overhangs,  flash floods treat but no bears.  Bears are too smart to go in there.  Go at your own risk.  Danger is relative some say its not that dangerous but some have died in there.

Now go up your creek, Deer Creek to the Cathedral.  This geological place  makes the trip worth while  but you may not want to tarry.  Above the creek on the old creek bed there are two interwoven omega signs the one on the south has a blaze of white and at the bottom there appears to be a box or shadow.   I would look in that horse shoe area if I were still searching.

The solve is simple and straight forward.  No messing with the poem no code but the way Forrest wrote it.  If you got one better then you really have something.  I wrote Forrest saying I hoped to bring him the treasure at the Black Bow Tie event in Cody this September.  That was grandiose and I hopefully have grown up a little.  Good luck to all.

Bye

 

 

Chasing Down the Treasure : Leave Room for Some healthy Fear

I am contemplating going alone in there.  After all a 79 or 80 year old man did the same in 2009 or 2010 or did he?  It is disturbing to read the comment Fenn made about leaving your friend in the car if you take one to get the treasure.  Especially after reading not to go into the mountains alone.  WWWWWWWHHHHAAAAAATTTT.  Hey it is not dangerous so no problem but be careful.  Very careful three people weren’t and they are dead!  This is a place not for the meek but his grand daughter if she had the strength could go and get it.  If this doesn’t give you a reason for caution you ain’t paying attention.  Here is the real zinger it may not be dangerous where he hid it but it could be extremely dangerous if you are looking in the wrong place.

So what are we to do?  Indiana Jones goes where ever the chase leads him.  The danger is part of the appeal.  Forrest’s special place is not dangerous according to Fenn but it must appear to have some element of danger to match up to no place for the meek.  My bet is this special place has a reasonable amount of danger and reasonable is the key word.  That this treasure is valued at over a million dollars changes what’s reasonable.

Like Eisenstein taught us lets use are imagination to decide what would be reasonable.  While driving on the freeway imagine you saw a dollar bill in the slow lane would it be reasonable to stop on the side and wait for a chance to get on the freeway to retrieve the dollar?  Now what if there was a box filled with hundred dollar bills, would that be a reasonable risk?  Logic tells me the risks are equal but what is reasonable is relevant.

So here I am five months and four tries later trying to decide if I should wait for the team (Boise Think Tank) or try a trip now on my own.  hears my thinking.

Pros:

If you are a follower of this blog you got info others never read.  I decided to take several blogs down after I thought they were a little negative.  Those few that recieved my blogs got some important hints that in my mind will help to locate the treasure and there fore the place I hope to be first.  Now I am seeing comment etc that make me believe attention to this place is on the increase.

Time is running out as I sense an early winter.  This year has had a short window of agreeable weather for the hunt and for thing place.

A year will go by without looking for the treasure soon.

I made a vow that I would be at the Black Bow Tie Ball and I will need the Treasure to serve as my ticket.

A man of 79 or 80 years of age went to where the treasure is so this 68 year old should be ok to go.

Over a million dollar pay off.

Cons:

Where I am going seems dangerous to go alone.  No cliff to climb no rivers to cross but very remote, full of bears and possible clasping sides walls.  So narrow it may only have room for one.

Flash flooding is a real problem.

No trails nearby and the destination may be more than a mile away from any cell phone coverage.

So what else is new?  I have been in worse spots on my adventures seen plenty of bears and lots of narrow canyons.  Billybobs  (my toy  poodle) and I have camped, hiked and explored many times but I have this fear that grows as I become older and maybe saner. Just a few days ago I admitted this fear to a good friend, he said ” you’d be a fool if you weren’t scared it is healthy to respect the Rocky Mountains they can be treacherous if you lost respect for the dangers they pose.

Over time this respect has turned into a Indiana Jones type of attitude which translates into being prepared.  Jones uses his wipe and gun I will use my giant can of bear spray and The Judge a revolve that shoots shot gun shells and big caliper rounds. ( Hope to never ever use that gun).  A coat in case I get wet and fire starters if I get stranded or really cold.  Felt boots for slippery creek bottoms, walking sticks that can be used for a splint,  bells on and a whistle to alert bears.  Couple of bottles of water and a snack if I get stuck some where.  Finely a drop in a the ranger station to inform them where I intend to be and when I intend to be back to my car.

Forrest if you read this I wish you could direct us searchers away from questionable places as often times there is no way to know what will be at the end of our rainbow.  Forrest can’t help us for many reasons litigious and practical.  The only reliable place to turn to is the Ranger.

Here is the bottom line fear isn’t something a brave man never feels no a brave man overcomes his fears.  The best saying I ever heard goes ” do nothing out of fear and everything out of love” I love the chase.

A shout out to those who would like to team up or know more about the area I will search.  Out of loyalty to the Think Tank I will go on this trip alone and then go with the Tank in two weeks but after that all will be indulged and if someone would like to join in they are welcome.

The Tiwa Connection; Where Warm Waters Halt

Most of you readers know I don’t believe the treasure is in New Mexico.  I am living far from the place I grew up and retired from (Albuquerque) partly because I wanted to be closer to where I could search in Wyoming and Montana.  That said, if anything would get me back there (besides the red and green chili) it would be this bit of info that I am passing on via a link on Dal’s blog.   See if you searchers in New Mexico think it is worth a look-see.

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http://dalneitzel.com/2014/05/19/the-tewa-connection/

Good hunting

Is Fenn’s Treasure being Guarded or Watched?

Explorer’s along a remote river, somewhere in Ukraine, captured video of a strange creature resting on the shore.  We know the Rocky Mountains are remote, getting cold (maybe wet) and being brave, may mean you need to watch out for a similar beast. Take your camera with you!

A Link of Interest…

From time to time I will add info found on the net from others that we find interesting.  I will provide a link and make a comment or two.  Find these under links in the sidebar and make your own comments.  This site linked below is informative, worth reading, but I think a few things might mislead a researcher I am going to point them out.

The second book Too Far to Walk does not give any more clues.  Save your money unless you like to read Forrest Fenn; which I do.  The map is on the insert and it doesn’t have Canada on it.  Forrest already told us it is in one of four states; New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, or Montana.

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Credit businessinsider.com

At this link, there is a map and it has a red line drawn over these states if that red box is supposed to be enclosing the chest it is of help as it rules out areas in all the states.  I would like to know about that because it rules out areas I have thought to look.   I don’t believe the red box on the map means anything dealing with the treasure.  Forrest, at his book signing in Santa Fe, told those present that there were no clues in the book other than said map.

Just to clear something up when I say “we” on occasion; I am talking about the Boise-Think-Tank.

I might also mean my dog, Billybobs, who would be that mouse in your pocket kind of thing.  No offense Billy.

Here is the link, enjoy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/forrest-fenn-fortune-hidden-rocky-mountains-2017-2